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"Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?"

How Do We Interpret This?

At the start, I don't know. I read your post back when you sent it, and thanks for the refresher on monergism vs. synergism. I hadn't come across those words in a very long time. Suspecting a setup where I might be expected to choose between just two possibilities (I didn't much care for either), I ran for the cover of my collection of commentaries, at the time three for Romans (now four). I don't go out much these days, so this is how I exercise.

All three commentaries pointed out (as you also suggested) that this passage is Pauline rhetorical diatribe. That term sounded much more familiar, although I had still to remember what diatribe and interlocutors are. Then suddenly a sizeable portion of this chapter and those that follow came into better focus. Out of curiosity, I also took a peek at what Calvin had to say about it, but that didn't help.

Χρηστότητος appears to be more commonly translated as "kindness" than the NKJV's "goodness", but either is valid, and you show both. More interesting is that μετάνοιάν is commonly translated as "repentance". But literally, the word means "change of mind". Frank Thielman, in his ZECNT-Romans commentary, translates it "a complete change of mind", and that reads clearly to me:

"2:4 Or do you despise the abundance of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God is trying to lead you to a complete change of mind?"

Viewing it that way, Paul's answer (and perhaps the reader's) would be "yes", through I'm not entirely sure what would be expected from the interlocutor.

Richard N. Longenecker, in his NIGTC-Romans commentary, translates it "goodness":

“Or do you show contempt for the riches of his goodness, forbearance and long-suffering, not realizing that God’s goodness leads you to repentance?”

From there he presents a complex contextual argument that arrives at a similar conclusion, but then he goes on to say:

"The word “repentance” (μετάνοια) literally means a “change of mind,” but in a religious sense it came to mean “remorse” or “turning away from” evil and to connote “the beginning of a new religious and moral life” or “conversion.” The expression εἰς μετάνοιάν σε ἄγει (“leads you to repentance”) suggests more the idea of giving someone the opportunity to repent. The use of the second person singular accusative pronoun σέ (“you”) continues the diatribe form of direct address, as do the second person singular nominative pronoun σύ in 2:3 and the repetition of σέ in 2:27. It is used in these instances for emphasis, as also in 11:22 (though there perhaps not in the context of a diatribe)."

The NIGTC series tends to read like that, and seeing it made me wonder what the WBC would say, so I grabbed it while it was on sale. (I am tooling up to study Romans, likely for the balance of my life.)

James D. G. Dunn's WBC-Romans commentary translates the verse as

"⁴ Or do you think lightly of the wealth of his goodness and of his forbearance and patience, disregarding the fact that the kindness of God is to lead you to repentance?"

I find that readable too, and by now so is the NKJV , but I think I've quoted enough commentary for one night. The opening of Romans 2 for me brought to mind David and Nathan, and I noticed that Dunn brings that out as well.

The fourth commentary, Robert W. Yarbrough's Romans contribution in the ESV Expository Commentary X, offers additional insights. This series is more condensed, but it remains a grade above study bibles, even some of the better ones.

Returning to monergism vs. synergism, I have to wonder why so much time and energy is spent on the implications. I was not raised in the Reformed tradition, but for the only time in my life I find myself belonging to a Reformed church. The original church sign at the original location read "Winding Way Reformed Church", which couldn't have been made clearer, and I knew this before I joined.

It's a good thing in that we don't have to listen to sermons that drive the point home. It's understood that God does the calling, and we invite people to come explore what (else) is taught from the Bible and let God do His part. This creates an atmosphere where conditionalists like certain friends and I can coexist and even discuss matters, peacefully, with the teachers.

Within our Sunday large group study, however, it's a little different. It's an expository study with lots of participation by a few people, along with quite a few others (depending on the weather and personal health emergencies) who like to talk about themselves, or to preach. It's a large group.

(The next to last Sunday in December we had just four people, the Reformed Tradition leader plus us three conditionalists, and that thing ran a lot like a 1st century assembly, interactive and unpredictable -- it was amazing!)

What happens more often, although I wouldn't say frequently, is that as we go through the verses we hit one that doesn't square particularly well with monergism, and one of us troublemakers points that out (I'm learning not to do that), and the fun begins. Off goes the time and energy expenditure, round and round. It's hard for me to understand, because I don't particularly feel that other people need to see it the way I do. There are more important issues, and my understanding is not locked down anyway.

The round and round, I suspect, has something to do with a need for "control", and it's not difficult to see control at work in "monergism vs. synergism". Mine is an institutional church (as were all the ones before it), with control designed in at all levels. Thus our group can't meet on a Sunday when there is a church-wide BBQ afterward. It's the rule, and that's that. The room sits empty or if occupied with preparations, no other empty room can be used instead (I asked).

I wish all of the rules were that trivial. "Control" is baked into reformed tradition. The reformers retained elements of Roman Catholic tradition that gave them control over the people. But I don't wish to take sides in the matter being addressed here. I do however see another issue, not directly concerning salvation but rather that of loyalty to God, which represents a test of "free will".

We can change our loyalty -- I know because I've done it. I've done all kinds of things we are commanded not to do, sometimes quite intentionally (motivated by disgust with the institutional church), learning from the experiences though not escaping consequences, and having to un-learn parts of what I had learned. I don't recommend the path I took, but this just might be an important part of why God made us the way He did, with the ability to rebel and the capacity to remain loyal, and far more so after testing. Whether God already knows the outcome is not my concern, and I won't fixate on proof texts. There's lots I don't know.

So let's see, what is my answer? I think I already said it is "yes".

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